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animalhouse
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"Dear Planet Photography"
 
My husband's employer went out of business without notice. Boom. Now he doesn't have a reason to wake up at 4:44, or receive a regular paycheck. Since he has always loved photography, he has decided to become a wedding photographer.

He bought a good second camera and lenses. (The other day a guy got his attention by calling him, "Sir! Sir with the big lens." At least he LOOKS like a photographer now. He didn't even have any photo equipment with him at the time, so how sweet was that?)

He takes gorgeous pictures of nature and things, but has not yet perfected photographing people. He knows what all the camera's buttons and dials are for. I have a knack for suggesting and arranging shots, but can barely turn the camera on. Together we will equal one helluva iffy wedding photographer. (The Big Day is all about taking risks, right?)

Should he slap a name on a business card and get started? Or slap on a hairnet and drop some fries?

Signed,

Cheese!

or

Cheese with That?


PS A few weeks ago I think I read a list of extinct professions which included milkman, chicken plucker, and photographer. What the f-stop. Is that true?


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1. "It's my special day!"
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The amount of time a wedding photographer spends actually photographing is a fraction of the time he will spend dealing with the crazy bride, her crazy mother, and her crazy mother in law. Your husband should watch about 12 hours of Bridzillas and seriously consider if dealing with screeching unhappy newlyweds is how he wants to butter his bread. Unless he is a thick skinned, incredibly patient people person, a booth selling prints of his amazing nature photographs at the local art fair may be more satisfying.


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5. "you got that right"
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My brother-in-law did the wedding photography thing for a few years. The main reason he sold his cameras and quit was the impossible to please customers.


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2. "Consider carefully!"
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I'll start by covering my credentials for the Simon-Cowellish advice below: I've been a business/marketing consultant to small and medium sized businesses for over 20 years and I've been a serious (and occasionally semi-pro) photographer for even longer.

>Since he has always loved
>photography, he has decided to become a wedding
>photographer.

First red flag: loving photography has about exactly zero relation to being a wedding photographer -- or more accurately, running a wedding photography business.

>He takes gorgeous pictures of nature and things, but has not
>yet perfected photographing people.

Second red flag: in my experience, there are two kinds of photographers...those that have a knack for making people look good in their shots, and those that don't. Needless to say, being in the second group is problematic for a wedding photographer.

>Should he slap a name on a business card and get started?

Biggest red flag: running a successful business has very little to do with the subject of the business (in this case photography) and almost everything to do with the ability to operate a business -- legal, administration, accounting, management, and most important of all, marketing (without sales ya got nothin'). If he doesn't have those skills, the chances of success are pretty much nil. And he'll spend a lot more time and energy in these areas than he ever will on the photography part. (Not to mention all the time spent on the bridezillas, like Puppy said.)

There's a whole lot more to a successful business than a skill and a business card! Not understanding that is the biggest cause of failure for small business. (And remember, somewhere around two thirds of startups fail within five years...)

>Or slap on a hairnet and drop some fries?

Here's hoping that's not the only other career option available!

>PS A few weeks ago I think I read a list of extinct
>professions which included milkman, chicken plucker, and
>photographer. What the f-stop. Is that true?

Here's my theory: In the past, taking decent pictures required significant and reasonably expensive equipmment, and the "finished" product required either much more equipment and skill (a darkroom) or significant expense to have professional quality developing and printing. But now, we're at a time in history where just about everyone is wandering around with a "camera" of some kind (usually as part of their phone) and decent cameras are available at an affordable price, and most people have the ability to publish photos online or print them on their home printer.

The result: everyone thinks they're a fuckin' photographer. And now that film and processing/printing costs have been eliminated by digital, everyone can take enough pictures that they'll get lucky every once in a while and get a great shot (as opposed to real pros who get the shot every time).

It's like when personal computers made desktop publishing available to everyone and they all thought they were goddamn designers. Except they weren't.

OK. <\End rant>

Hope that helps!


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4. "That about sums it up"
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Daddy Ahr was a wedding photographer on the weekends, and pretty much Old School, with his own darkroom in the house. Brother Ahr, Sister Ahr, and I all have taken a turn as a wedding photographer for friends.

I'll just add that you can have all the fancy equipment, but at the ceremony itself, you have to have the sense to be able to take pictures without the weddding party knowing you're there.


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16. "Seconded!"
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What Castogator said is all very solid advice. I did professional photography for a couple of years and what ultimately killed my desire to make it my career was taking on gigs of big family events (weddings, engagement parties, and "big" anniversary parties).

Even if Mr. Animalhouse has all the business sense to operate a solo startup and the artistic photo ability to make even the fugliest bride look good, the nature of the work tends to wear down even the most tolerant of personalities.

The bridezilla factor is one part, but the worst will be people trying to nickle and dime the fee down. The fact that everyone has a multi-megapixel camera makes most people think that they are a pro-level photographer, which creates the illusion that it obviates the need for a professional photographer.

Be aware that many people will probably expect video (and subsequent editing into an Emmy-worthy presentation) with the photography (and assume it's included in the fee), so that requires the hiring of subcontractors or additional staff. I've rarely seen a wedding photographer work alone.

Whatever passion Mr. Animalhouse has for photography could be sucked dry by a stint as a wedding photographer. There's a reason that two of the better pros I know gave up on weddings a long time ago and got into commercial industrial photography. Pays just as well, and the client is very specific about what they want, unlike a wedding party, where the directions are usually "Just make it look great".

Hard to make a silk purse when the wedding is a gnawed sow's ear.


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3. "How is Mr. animalhouse with cranky old folks and random bodily fluids"
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that aren't his?

PS A few weeks ago I think I read a list of extinct professions which included milkman, chicken plucker, and photographer. What the f-stop. Is that true?

Everything I've read/watched/heard lately about the job market all says the same thing: nursing is where it's at. There's currently a shortage of nurses. Add to that the SS Baby Boomer steaming towards old age and you have the makings for job security with a good salary like no other profession.

My sister in law is a nurse. That's a good thing, because my brother is in the printing industry. Like the Dunder Mifflin paper company, it's dying. He was recently laid off. All his wife had to do was work overtime for a half day Saturday to cover his wages for a week.

Sure you have to work 12 hour shifts, deal with mainly sick folks, dump bed pans, and sometimes you're working when everyone else is having fun. But there's security, and as you build seniority you get better shifts and can delegate the bed pans.

I've actually considered packing it in and enrolling in nursing school. I'm pretty damn sick of the industry I'm in. It's full of knuckle-dragging, slack-jawed righties and it gets abused by the economy something fierce. Might be time for a change of scenery. Maybe I'll buy a camera with a big lense and put myself through school photographing bar mitzvas and chastity pledge balls* (I wouldn't want to compete with Mr. animalhouse.)

*(shudder) Jesus, those things are creepy.


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6. "New career decisions"
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I've actually considered packing it in and enrolling in nursing school.

I have also considered a career switch. Hey, I'm only 44, and my poor investment skills have insured that I will have to work well into my 70s before I can retire, so why not? How much schoolin' would it take for me to become a mortician? Because I honestly don't think I would mind that much. I am just afraid that they would make me be the guy who has to spend all her time with the alive part of the family. Damn me and my sparkling personality -- people just always want me to be the one dealing with the public. But, maybe if I went to mortician school, I too could hone a Wednesday Addams personality and they'd just let me drive the hearse around town all day.

Maybe Mr. animalhouse could do a photo project featuring the dead? I'm only half joking. He'd have to figure out the angle, but something like that might garner a lot of interest! I just don't know how many people would consent to their dead loved one being photographed, but if I get a job at a mortuary, I'll help out if I can.


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7. "Teaching"
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If you've worked in industry, almost any industry for at least 7 years you can get a job as a teacher in a vocational school. They are all over the country.

You have to take three tests and some classes but you can take the classes after you are hired.

The first test is a literacy test to make sure you can read and write english. This test was so easy I didn't get any questions wrong.

The second and third tests are a written test and a practical test in your field. If you know your material they aren't that difficult.

Here's a list of the subjects in Massachusetts but they are different all over the country....

http://www.doe.mass.edu/cte/licensure/prelimguide.pdf

...and all the stories you here about teachers being laid off don't really apply to vocational schools.


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8. "What Castigator said..."
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   First red flag: loving photography has about exactly zero relation to being a wedding photographer -- or more accurately, running a wedding photography business.

Loving photography has NOTHING to do with being a wedding photographer. In fact, being a wedding photographer will most likely make you hate photography. Can he do anything remotely resembling these - because there are just kind of average.

I managed a photography studio and custom designed wedding albums for about 5 years, and the photographer was really, really good. International award winning stuff. Years of experience. But the people you deal with generally suck. You can make a bride look amazing in a photograph, and there will still be complaits and you will struggle to make a living.

"You missed a photo of my cousin who was late and I never see him anyway, but he showed up and isn't in any of the pictures now my entire family is yelling at me, and for what I paid I should get a photo of my loser cousin."

"I know I signed a contract, but my uncle says it costs too much - I want a discount."

"Can you show up at 7AM and stay until midnight for the same price?"

Anyway - not a good idea if you have to pay the mortgage. With reasonably priced high megapixel digital cameras available to anyone, everyone thinks they are a good photographer, and at least 12 people at any wedding will be snapping away capturing the shots that YOU set up. Why should the bride pay you for anything?

So I vote fries.


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9. "Other opportunities..."
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   Don't forget high school senior photos (they still do those, don't they?) and pet photos.


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10. "I'm not that artsy"
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And I know 10 people that would jump to photograph my (now, and possibly forever non-existent) wedding. Apparently ownership of a camera makes one a photographer. Which, as an unfortunate byproduct, is the main cause of facebook oversharing.

I am convinced many wedding photographers are like real estate agents and mortgage writers: Average Joes with no real direction in life who pick it up and go 'Hey, I could do that!' I actually feel bad for real photographers/real estate agents/mortgagers with talent and drive - their field is filled with idiot hacks.

Mr. AH, I would like to supersize that.


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11. "Easy-peasy"
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Wedding photography is easy. Just take a bunch of candids and a bunch of black-in-whites. They always looks artsy. Throw in a few candid black-and-whites and you've got GOLD!


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12. "The question isn't..."
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whether or not he can take the pictures. Everyone can take half way decent pictures now if they've got a decent digital camera. The question is whether or not he's willing to spend the time in the digital darkroom (Photoshop) to make them look better. That, and printing, is where the money is.


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13. "A niche market -"
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   but one that's easy(ish)

Your husband could take photographs of people for organizational directories - like churchs, synagogues, et cetera.

The finished product standard isn't anywhere near as high as for a wedding, there's no time pressure, you can set up times for evening times, and you can get paid in cash and not declare the income.


The main money is made by the companies that sell add-on photo packets. Depending on the income he'd need to make per engagement, he could set up his fee structure to front load the money.

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14. "My thanks to all"
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Naysayers don't scare me. If you turn out to be soothsayers, then fine. His rotator cuff works tip-top. That'll come in handy if the McFlurry has to be served upside down.

HappyPuppy,
Do brides really go 'zilla over their photos anymore? Did they ever? I would not go back into a burning un-air-conditioned building to save my wedding photos.

Castigator,
We will consider carefully. Thank you.

TomR,
He has the sense.

Lurker no more,
I like how you wrote about nurses and photography in two different threads in one day. You should have gone for three. Under Movies you could have told us about your signed 8x10 picture of Louise Fletcher wearing her One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest costume. Or about your finger-smudged Polaroid of Louis Lecher playing his famous role as the male nurse in the less-than-classic, SpongeBath NoPants.

CNormGo,
I like you idea. Dead men tell no tales -- about how you did a lousy job and ruined their special day.

KeroRocks,
Your idea is good.

QueenMaeve,
Those photos made me sure of one thing: Veils should be worn forward more often.

Tonic,
Yes to both.

godlovesugly,
Consider yourself super-sized.

gobanana,
Also available, the ever-popular sepia. And watch their panties drop and wallets open with they see a black and white shot which includes one item in color.

singer,
If need be he can smooth skin and make teeth look whiter. And need be.

Qwyjibo,
Good, sensible suggestion.

Again, thanks to all.


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15. "What is his gross out threshold?"
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I understand there is a largely untapped market for labor photogs.

No really! I know of quite a few upper middle class up white women in my peripheral social circle that will pay a pretty penny to have a photographer present while they spew forth life from their chubby chuckies.

I would think that if he could stomach the sights and smells, you may get to retire early!


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17. "not as gross"
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mr. jimmy and i just recently finished childbirth classes and on the last day we were presented with a info sheet on the nurse's friend who is a newborn baby photographer. apparently she'll come to the hospital (hopefully after everyone's cleaned up and pretty looking) and take some lovely photos of the new baby and family. we're not doing it b/c i can think of nothing worse than having a professional photog in the room after i've had a baby and telling me to smile, but i bet i'm in the minority on that one. but for the photog it seems like a relatively easy way to make some money.


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18. "Not as easy as you'd think"
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>I would think that if he could stomach the sights and
>smells, you may get to retire early!

If you don't catch the very moment when the perineum tears, those mothers of newborns can make bridezilla look tame in comparison.

Vag to ass tears don't get a second take!


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19. "one tip from wenchette"
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She and I were talking about film photogs switching to digital. She said old skool types may not understand all the new stuff. She takes her digital pics in RAW mode, so that she can do more stuff with Photoshop afterwards.

Also, too. Look into sports photography, namely: little kids playing soccer, baseball, gymnastics, swimming, etc. At a State swim final, we saw a woman shooting every event, mostly focusing on the likely winners, but getting other shots as well. She would then upload her gallery of shots for people to order from her website after the fact. She took hundreds of shots, and was seriously in the way, sometimes. Nevertheless, parents who couldn't get as close as she could were able to get pics of their kids doing their thing. For spending an afternoon, I think you have a better chance of selling to some of the hundreds of fans in attendance than just one fussy-bitch bride.

Lots of kids looking for sports scholarships also want video of their greatest moments to send to recruiting coaches. That might be another option.

Tell him not to take all the photo jobs. Wenchette graduates in another damn year.

And good luck. Contrary to what rightwing fuckheads may remark, unemployment is NOT funemployment. It's pretty much a disaster.


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20. "ooh, ooh...i've got another one!!"
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move to central america! when i was in the peace corps down there a couple years ago, there was one guy w/in a 100 mile radius who had a FILM camera. he came to every graduation, birthday party, baptism, fiesta de patronales, etc. around and everyone flocked to him after the ceremony was over to have him take a photo of their kid w/ the teacher or priest or pinata or whatever. then, about a week or two later, he went around to all the villages w/ the photos and sold each photo for like $1 or something a piece. he made a killing!!!

everyone has cell phones w/ cameras down there, but very few people have digital cameras, and almost nobody has a computer, let alone a printer to go w/ it. so it's not the taking pictures that an issue, it's the printing of the photos that nobody can do. plus, unlike here in the u.s. nobody has huge photo albums of their kids w/ a gazillion photos, so they are willing to shell out $1 or $5 every now and again for some nice shots of their kids, or whoever it is.

i mean, you'd have to get a motorcycle or something to get to some of these villages, but i bet you wouldn't even have to learn spanish. plus, central america = low cost of living!


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